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Question...

This $150 fee if you cancel the 1 year contract.

Do TXU and the other REP's also charge this? Ignited said they do but Ignited lies.

Can you call TXU and see if there is a fee if you cancel the 1 year contract and if so how much? If there is no fee POST THAT! (I am not in Texas or I would check)

TXU has several plans that do have a fee of $200
But, they have a 24mo plan TXU Energy SmartSaver 24sm
that has no cancellation fee.

Direct Energy has a 12 mo plan no cancelation fee

Gexa Energy Guaranteed plan 12mo no cancelation fee
polution free plan has a $150 fee

Reliant has a $100 fee for a 15mo plan

Amigo Energy has a $69.95 Fee

All others seem to have a fee of $150 or more

But to say that "EVERYBODY" has a fee is a false statement.
All this was found at www.powertochoose.org

To get customers you need to be alittle bit different from evrebody else.
Stream says this:
"B-b-but we are different we have 250,000+ cutomers because we use Ignite as our marketing (& brainwashing_ tool!"

Ignited, if you wer paid for the number of posts on this forum you might make more money than with Ignite.

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Old 10-22-2006, 12:50 AM
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Deregulation is changing the retail energy market. Competition is replacing monopolies. Consumers now have a choice of providers. Texas now allows competition for both residential and commercial customers. Other states will be following in the months and years to come. The residential market in Texas is over $24 billion annually and over $1.6 trillion nationwide.

We want to be the provider of choice for customers who are excited about the opportunity to save money and improve their level of service. We are confident that in putting our customers first we can realize our goal of being one of the largest retail energy providers in the United States.
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Traditional advertising models are beginning to fail. It is more difficult and more costly for marketers to grab consumer attention than ever before.

***** ****** has developed a more effective approach. Rather than spending millions of dollars on TV, radio or print advertising, we decided we would rather pay our customers to tell their friends and family about us.

It is called one-to-one or network marketing, and we believe it the most powerful business model ever conceived. And anyone can do it.

* Sign up yourself for ***** ****** service.
* Sign up your friends and family.
* Help others do the same thing.

It's really a very simple business. We've made online enrollment quick and easy and there is no complicated paperwork to complete. Just join your Sponsor's team and start building your own. The Ambit Energy compensation plan will take care of the rest!

Does this sound like Ignite/Stream Energy? Well it does to me to but it is not. This is from another MLM electricity REP in Texas, Ambit.

Ambit- the beginning of the end

With Stream aggressively marketing their service directly to customers without Ignite one must wonder how long before if becomes "Ignite- the beginning of the end".

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Old 10-22-2006, 09:55 PM
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Does this sound like Ignite/Stream Energy? Well it does to me to but it is not. This is from another MLM electricity REP in Texas, Ambit.

Ambit- the beginning of the end

With Stream aggressively marketing their service directly to customers without Ignite one must wonder how long before if becomes "Ignite- the beginning of the end".

This is news to me but I looked at the website for myself http://ambitsavings.ambitenergy.biz..._management.asp
Look you can sign up for only $399! Ignited you need to take advantage of this, you can have double the income!! lol
https://secure.ambitenergy.com/sign...5BA0F26C675601B

looks like Ignite has competition with this company also based in Dallas.
The electric rate still isn't that great though $0.1414 per kwh.

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Old 10-23-2006, 01:18 AM
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Michael1,

The rate is .138 in TXU area. I believe the rate you are referring to is an old one but I will confirm that. Unlike other posters who would reply with a flame I like to have facts.

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Michael1,

The rate is .138 in TXU area. I believe the rate you are referring to is an old one but I will confirm that. Unlike other posters who would reply with a flame I like to have facts.

IKE

Actually I was speaking of the Ambit Energy price being $0.1414 per Kwh
And that Ignite has competition in MLM energy sales
Stream is currently $0.1385 to be exact & was $0.1419 before Sept 1st

Sorry, I didn't mean to be confusing.

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Old 10-24-2006, 06:45 AM
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I should have been clearer myself our price now is .138 at 1500 kwh the percentage is 8% off of TXU PTB.

I believe the documentation you are referring to was when the PTB was higher. As far as competition I unlike other posters believe that Texas has plenty of consumers for more than one or two MLM based companies.

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I should have been clearer myself our price now is .138 at 1500 kwh the percentage is 8% off of TXU PTB.

I believe the documentation you are referring to was when the PTB was higher. As far as competition I unlike other posters believe that Texas has plenty of consumers for more than one or two MLM based companies.

I saw that price on an assosiate's website. When I checked my area
( http://ambitsavings.ambitenergy.biz/1_index.asp ) It quoted me $0.1414 for 1000 kwh. These are mass produced template websites that are all updated together. If the rate has changed Ambit needs to update those websites.
Texas has a huge market of company loyal customers. How has the business worked for you? You don't seem to have a totaly bias attitude. Does it pay off? Expound on it if you would I have never heard of Ambit til now. It's not on the www.powertochoose.org website either. Unless they use a different name, But, that dont seem to be the case.




It seems Mr. IGNITED has left the scene. Now we have IKE from Ambit talking to us. I really don't know much about it. If it has better service it may prove to be the downfall of Ignite. I Still wouldn't try it after the BS I've had with Ignite. It looks like the same type of scheme. Top dog gets all!

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Old 10-27-2006, 04:25 PM
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micheal_1, do you have any idea how many sales people Stream has of their own without Ignite?

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Old 10-28-2006, 06:58 AM
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micheal_1, do you have any idea how many sales people Stream has of their own without Ignite?

I do not have any idea how many sales people they have. I got my info from an Ignite assosiate who had one knock on his door. They get an hourly rate plus commission from sales. The sales person was in Houston & not a part of the Ignite team. So all I know is that they exist, not how many. Stream does not appear to be recruiting sales people on their website. It makes me mad that they would have several markets going while telling Ignite assosiates that they are (as if it is the only one) the marketing arm for Stream Energy.
I was led to believe when I signed up that Ignite was the only way to sign up with Stream Energy. It's not the fault of the sponsor assosiate either because they are led to believe the same lie. It's not a flat out lie just half truth. SAME DAMN THING!

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Old 10-28-2006, 08:07 AM
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Let me say I AM BIASED. I unlike other folks on these boards believe the folks at AMBIT know what they are doing.

As for the rate issue I am researching that and will have something ASAP. I too agree if they are not updated they should be.

How has AMBIT been to me I can't complain. I am presently over 10x my initial investment and have some people in my downline who are 4x-6x over there's in less than 6 weeks.

Unfortunately there are posters who place nonsense on these boards because of there own inadequacy. But that being said I like AMBIT and I and my family will do well.

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Let me say I AM BIASED. I unlike other folks on these boards believe the folks at AMBIT know what they are doing.

As for the rate issue I am researching that and will have something ASAP. I too agree if they are not updated they should be.

How has AMBIT been to me I can't complain. I am presently over 10x my initial investment and have some people in my downline who are 4x-6x over there's in less than 6 weeks.

Unfortunately there are posters who place nonsense on these boards because of there own inadequacy. But that being said I like AMBIT and I and my family will do well.

And IKE, what the hell does this have to do with this thread "Is Stream Energy Closing the Ignite Pyramid Scheme??????" or are you blatantly fishing for members for Ambit?

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Old 10-29-2006, 02:52 AM
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Obviously Stupid your name is a perfect fit for you. Michael1 posted earlier asking me if it was working for me. Read the posts before you post nonsense


And as far as recruiting IGNITE reps that is the last thing I care too do. I want people who haven't been lied to for the last 2 years.

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Obviously Stupid your name is a perfect fit for you. Michael1 posted earlier asking me if it was working for me. Read the posts before you post nonsense


And as far as recruiting IGNITE reps that is the last thing I care too do. I want people who haven't been lied to for the last 2 years.

My mistake and I apologize.

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Old 10-29-2006, 05:52 AM
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Obviously Stupid your name is a perfect fit for you. Michael1 posted earlier asking me if it was working for me. Read the posts before you post nonsense


And as far as recruiting IGNITE reps that is the last thing I care too do. I want people who haven't been lied to for the last 2 years.

How have the Ignite people been lied to? I'm sure they get told the same crap as Ambit people, could you expound on that? Not that I don't know how we get lied to I just want your perspective. Also, does Ambit have reps other than the assosiates they recruit for $399? Is going through an Ambit assosiate the only means of signing up for electric?

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Old 10-29-2006, 10:03 PM
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How tacky is it for IKE, an Ambit rep, to come on the Stream thread and throw rocks at Stream? He even started an anti-Stream himself. Have a little self-respect and worry about your own problems. People in glass houses...

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Ignite/Stream Energy CLOSED Thread Hits
103,000 Visitors!

The Ignite/Stream Energy thread has been closed for well over a month. Visitors are not flocking there to see what's new because nothing is. For a closed thread to draw this many visitors, still about 1000 per week, much of it must be coming from people searching the internet for information on Ignite and Stream Energy and they are finding it on SCAM.COM.

We also know that Stream Energy has their own sales staff out selling their product without Ignite.

Now we have Ambit, another MLM/Pyramid electricity provider, competing with Ignite.

The future seems mighty dim for Ignite especially now that Stream has cut the cord.

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Old 10-30-2006, 03:39 AM
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Mr. Stupid of course is only bomb throwing and speculating with no evidence whatsoever to back up his growth claims regarding Stream. The truth is that Stream is closing out another record month of growth in October which will all be well documented in next years Dallas Morning News top private companies issue for 2006.

Mr. Stupid, please continue to claim that Stream is on the skids because when the facts are documented once again just like last year, you will again look like the complete ass that you are.

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Old 10-30-2006, 05:21 PM
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Ignite/Stream Energy CLOSED Thread Hits
103,000 Visitors!

The Ignite/Stream Energy thread has been closed for well over a month. Visitors are not flocking there to see what's new because nothing is. For a closed thread to draw this many visitors, still about 1000 per week, much of it must be coming from people searching the internet for information on Ignite and Stream Energy and they are finding it on SCAM.COM.

We also know that Stream Energy has their own sales staff out selling their product without Ignite.

Now we have Ambit, another MLM/Pyramid electricity provider, competing with Ignite.

The future seems mighty dim for Ignite especially now that Stream has cut the cord.

This is true, I found this site by searching for information on Ignite. I found it quite interesting & decided to join in on the fun. Stream has bad Customer service if ambit is better it may take off to be in the top companies also.
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Old 10-30-2006, 05:53 PM
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Mr. Stupid of course is only bomb throwing and speculating with no evidence whatsoever to back up his growth claims regarding Stream. The truth is that Stream is closing out another record month of growth in October which will all be well documented in next years Dallas Morning News top private companies issue for 2006.

Mr. Stupid, please continue to claim that Stream is on the skids because when the facts are documented once again just like last year, you will again look like the complete ass that you are.

You are such a RUDE person that you must have slammed all of your customers or threatened them, Was this your opening line? You need to F*@#iING sign up for Stream or I'll kick your F*@#iING ass!
Or maybe this is the outcome of being an Ignite assosiate.
If so I definitely don't want to be assosiated with it.

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Old 10-30-2006, 07:45 PM
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Maybe what is really rude is starting rumors about Stream's "collapse" with NO supporting information. In fact their phenominal success continues. Unlike this unfounded speculation, Stream's growth is documented. Maybe what is rude is not knowing what is rude and what is the truth. The only reason Ambit exists is because of success of Ignite. Can you say copycat? The only thing this means is that Stream has first mover status and has sucked the best out of the market and Ambit will always be a wannabe who is always comparing themselves to Ignite. What's rude is people that think they have to throw rocks at the market leader to boost their own position or to attempt to tear down success as a result of their own inadequecies.

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My neighbor signed up yesterday and tried to get me to sign up,well he told me it would be a good deal. I found this thread by way of Google and I don't think I want any part of Stream Energy. I also emailed him this thread.

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Old 10-31-2006, 02:27 AM
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Maybe what is really rude is starting rumors about Stream's "collapse" with NO supporting information. In fact their phenominal success continues. Unlike this unfounded speculation, Stream's growth is documented. Maybe what is rude is not knowing what is rude and what is the truth. The only reason Ambit exists is because of success of Ignite. Can you say copycat? The only thing this means is that Stream has first mover status and has sucked the best out of the market and Ambit will always be a wannabe who is always comparing themselves to Ignite. What's rude is people that think they have to throw rocks at the market leader to boost their own position or to attempt to tear down success as a result of their own inadequecies.

Isn't that what these forums are all about? subjects with no supporting information. It's kinda funny how alot of ppl like to talk about it. Speaking of throwing rocks you are the type of person that would throw rocks at helpless old people in a nursing home

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Speaking of throwing rocks you are the type of person that would throw rocks at helpless old people in a nursing home.


Isn't that the truth! Typical MLMers get off on victimizing vulnerable innocent people. That just goes to show how scammers lack character and morality. They don't have a conscience.

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Isn't that the truth! Typical MLMers get off on victimizing vulnerable innocent people. That just goes to show how scammers lack character and morality. They don't have a conscience.
Ignite makes victims of people that are close to you friends & family.
The assosiates are brainwashed into thinking its a good thing.
Once again Stream Energy sucks, I have sent a third email about the contract issue & still no response great "customer care".

By the way my bill this month was $62.50 & I have a 1300sq ft house Its not because of Stream either. They "saved" me about $2.73- (yes that's a negative) on what it would have been with Direct Energy. Go to www.energyhog.org to see how you can save.
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I joined Stream after a family member became one of their "sucker" sales people. I didn't want to because I was happy with Reliant, but I did...that was my first mistake!

With Reliant I could go online and see my bills and my previous payments, and everything...not to mention paying my bill online as well...online and FREE...Stream charges almost $5 to pay online OR via the telephone...CHARGES you to pay them money! You can not view Stream's bills or anything else for that matter online.

Those were my initial complaints, but I was trying to hang in there for my family member. AND THEN came the first time I contacted Customer Service at Stream...the contact I have had with Stream as a customer has been some of the worst I have encountered probably ever as a bill paying customer. This summer when the energy prices went up so high my bill was outlandish, and as a single woman I couldn't afford to pay the bill in full that month, so I made a large payment and attempted to set up a payment plan...they would not work with me in doing so at all. They made me feel like I was some none-bill-paying low life who doesn't pay their bills and mooches off of people...when that is quite the contrary! I work hard, and tho I may not have a lot of money the FIRST thing I do is pay my bills, every month! My second and third calls to them were awful experiences as well.

So I got fed up with Stream and their PISS POOR customer service and decided to change back to Reliant. I disconnected my Stream and never received a final bill from them. I waited about a month or so, honestly I forgot, ASSuming if I owed them a balance I would learn about it via a final bill. NOTHING! So I called their sorry customer service and after waiting about 15 minutes I got a guy on there who argued with me that they had sent a final bill...all I wanted to know was my balance and if I could arrange a payment plan to pay my balance off within a month or two. Not only would they not allow me a payment plan, he told me they were going to turn my bill over to a collection agency. What ever happened to the days when customer service was actually SERVICE????...and not headaches and hassles and accusations that I received a bill that I never saw...I hung up the phone with them in tears...Im not trying to get out of paying my bill...and all I was asking was to have another month to pay it off.
I would steer clear of Stream Energy...even if they are a tiny bit cheaper...they charge you to pay THEM and the customer service staff seemed to be trained on how to make people feel like s***!
So, even tho they would not allow me a payment plan I am going to send in a payment anyway...and hope they will see that I AM TRYING...and not derive too much pleasure from reporting me to a credit agency over a $97.00 bill.
STREAM SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

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Old 11-07-2006, 03:57 AM
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Isn't it funny how every time someone doesn't pay thier bills its everybody's fault but their own. That's what's wrong with this country, everyone has to find someone else to blame for their own mistakes. And of course, mean old customer service made it worse because they actually insisted that you pay your bills on time. You can bet there's more to this story that what we're being told.

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Old 11-12-2006, 01:54 AM
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Isn't it funny how every time someone doesn't pay thier bills its everybody's fault but their own. That's what's wrong with this country, everyone has to find someone else to blame for their own mistakes. And of course, mean old customer service made it worse because they actually insisted that you pay your bills on time. You can bet there's more to this story that what we're being told.

I am sorry I missed one of Ignite's triumphs. It is now almost 2 months since the Ignite/Stream Energy thread closed and I missed the 104,000 visitor milestone.

Ignite/Stream Energy CLOSED Thread Hits
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Visitors are not flocking there to see what's new because nothing is. For a closed thread to draw this many visitors, still about 1000 per week, much of it must be coming from people searching the internet for information on Ignite and Stream Energy and they are finding it on SCAM.COM.

We also know that Stream Energy has their own sales staff out selling their product without Ignite.

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Isn't it funny how every time someone doesn't pay thier bills its everybody's fault but their own. That's what's wrong with this country, everyone has to find someone else to blame for their own mistakes. And of course, mean old customer service made it worse because they actually insisted that you pay your bills on time. You can bet there's more to this story that what we're being told.

Isn't it funny how the more fortunate blame those that are less fortunate for being unable to pay their bills. Stream Energy should work with the customer to come to some agreement on how to pay a large balance. They actually give the shortest grace period I have ever seen. Some people pay more for electric than rent, not to mention electric bills are not the same every month. I personally do not have a problem with any of my bills & I do not make fun of those who do struggle unless they actually do not have their priorities right. Single parents do have more trouble with finances than others. Childcare runs $400 or more per month in my area.

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Old 11-12-2006, 06:35 AM
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I joined Stream after a family member became one of their "sucker" sales people. I didn't want to because I was happy with Reliant, but I did...that was my first mistake!

With Reliant I could go online and see my bills and my previous payments, and everything...not to mention paying my bill online as well...online and FREE...Stream charges almost $5 to pay online OR via the telephone...CHARGES you to pay them money! You can not view Stream's bills or anything else for that matter online.

Those were my initial complaints, but I was trying to hang in there for my family member. AND THEN came the first time I contacted Customer Service at Stream...the contact I have had with Stream as a customer has been some of the worst I have encountered probably ever as a bill paying customer. This summer when the energy prices went up so high my bill was outlandish, and as a single woman I couldn't afford to pay the bill in full that month, so I made a large payment and attempted to set up a payment plan...they would not work with me in doing so at all. They made me feel like I was some none-bill-paying low life who doesn't pay their bills and mooches off of people...when that is quite the contrary! I work hard, and tho I may not have a lot of money the FIRST thing I do is pay my bills, every month! My second and third calls to them were awful experiences as well.

So I got fed up with Stream and their PISS POOR customer service and decided to change back to Reliant. I disconnected my Stream and never received a final bill from them. I waited about a month or so, honestly I forgot, ASSuming if I owed them a balance I would learn about it via a final bill. NOTHING! So I called their sorry customer service and after waiting about 15 minutes I got a guy on there who argued with me that they had sent a final bill...all I wanted to know was my balance and if I could arrange a payment plan to pay my balance off within a month or two. Not only would they not allow me a payment plan, he told me they were going to turn my bill over to a collection agency. What ever happened to the days when customer service was actually SERVICE????...and not headaches and hassles and accusations that I received a bill that I never saw...I hung up the phone with them in tears...Im not trying to get out of paying my bill...and all I was asking was to have another month to pay it off.
I would steer clear of Stream Energy...even if they are a tiny bit cheaper...they charge you to pay THEM and the customer service staff seemed to be trained on how to make people feel like s***!
So, even tho they would not allow me a payment plan I am going to send in a payment anyway...and hope they will see that I AM TRYING...and not derive too much pleasure from reporting me to a credit agency over a $97.00 bill.
STREAM SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry you have had bad luck with Stream, my trouble with them does not compare to yours. I had Direct Energy before & never had a problem. Stream does have poor customer care, you are right about lack of service, notice its called customer care. For others who do not know you can view your Stream account balance at www.streamenergy.net click pay your bill online & enter your account number then submit. It will show your balance & give you the option to pay online. As for what Ignited had to say he is out of line. He likes to poke fun & run down anybody less fortunate than himself. Rather than help you he runs you down. Contact the PUCT to find out what options you have for payment plans & bill pay financial assistance. I'm not really sure what the options are I only know that some are available. Also look into conserving energy, my bill this month was $62.50. Myself & my wife live in a 3br 2bath 2car garage brick home & keep the tempurature at 75F. Go to www.energyhog.org for more info. Changing electric companies will never save you as much as conserving energy will. Good luck! If you or anyone else reading this wants the gory details of energy conservation. Send me private message.

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Old 11-14-2006, 06:38 PM
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Isn't it funny how Stream Sales Morons have nothing better to do than get online and argue with perfect strangers???? I pay my bills, an illness (2 surgeries) lead me to get behind...something I am sure you are not aware of since you scam people for money for a living, eh, jackass??? I find it odd other companies are willing to help you out at times of hardship, willing to make payment plans to get you through difficult times of illness and hardship...but Stream customer service *******s go out of their way to make people feel bad and to be hateful and rude. Since signing back on with RELIANT ENERGY my bill has gone down and NOW I can access ALL OF MY INFO ONLINE (something that Stream does NOT offer!!!!) and I am happy and my bills are all paid and things are fine...JUST as they were PRIOR to encountering Stream and their SORRY ASSES!!! Thanks for nothing Stream...I will be sure to tell everyone I know how unfortunate my encounter was...and how the Stream Associates have so much time they even have time to get online and insult complete strangers who have done nothing...whatever happened to the customer is right? To customer satisfaction? To being kind to your customers, because they are your customers? That is all lost on dealings with Stream for sure! This will be the last post I post I on here...because unlike Stream salespeople I have better things to do with my time than get online and be crappy to people because the company they work for SUCKS!!!! AVOID STREAM AT ALL COSTS...EVEN IF A FRIEND/FAMILY member or any other kind of SUCKER sells it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 11-14-2006, 06:46 PM
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I.PAGE ONE

Power Hitter
In Texas Energy Deregulation, Top Company Is a Big Winner
TXU, Other Suppliers Keep Rates Up as State Adviser Sees Possible Manipulation

Officials Remain Hopeful

By REBECCA SMITH
October 27, 2006; Page A1

When natural-gas prices dropped this past spring, many Texans breathed a sigh of relief. Ever since the state partially deregulated its electricity market in 2002, utility companies had cited the rising price of gas to justify rate increases. Now it seemed a turnabout was near.

But under the Texas law, what goes up doesn't necessarily come down. Electricity suppliers such as TXU Corp. and Reliant Energy Inc. are allowed to adjust their basic rates if gas prices rise, but they needn't lower rates if gas costs fall. The only force that could push prices down is vigorous competition from upstart providers -- and that has been in short supply under deregulation. As a result, many Texans are paying 15 cents to 19 cents per kilowatt-hour, about double the national average of eight cents.

The stubbornly high electricity bills are one sign of how the state's four-year-old deregulation plan has failed to bring the benefits originally envisioned. Another is the allegation by the state's independent monitor last month that TXU's power-generation unit may have manipulated the market to get higher wholesale prices. The company denies doing this.

Yet Texas is barreling ahead. On Jan. 1, the last limits on what companies can charge the general public for electricity are about to expire. Texas is the first state in the nation to go that far, and its move comes as California, Arizona and other states have pulled back from deregulation.

Deregulating electricity has long been an ardent goal of many in the U.S. and other industrialized nations. Instead of stodgy utilities collecting nearly guaranteed profits and having little motive to improve their efficiency, backers have hoped deregulation would bring innovation and lower prices to an essential sector of the economy. The reality is messier, as consumers fail to take advantage of their new options -- or fail to gain any options -- while clever companies that know how to work the system prosper.

Exhibit A was the debacle in California in 2000-01, when power generators manipulated prices by purposely withholding capacity, among other moves. A combination of scarcity, faulty market rules and outright market manipulation cost the state billions of dollars.

Texas's $27 billion retail electricity market may be turning into another exhibit. Dallas lawyer Steve Wolens, who was a chief sponsor of the deregulation bill when he served in the state legislature, says it should have included a provision forcing retail prices to come down when gas prices do. And he frets that deregulation has failed to produce the kind of entrepreneurs who could transform the market, perhaps because control remains concentrated in too few hands. "What we need is a Southwest Airlines of the electricity business," says Mr. Wolens.

State officials say it's too soon to write off deregulation. Retail prices are beginning to come down, says Paul Hudson, chairman of the Texas Public Utility Commission. Companies say they're making efficiency gains that will help pricing. But critics say consumers have paid hundreds of millions of dollars too much this year because electricity prices haven't tracked gas prices.

The power industry is divided into three parts: generation (turning fuel such as natural gas or coal into electricity); retail (selling the electricity to consumers); and delivery (moving electricity over power lines). Under the traditional system, still in place in much of the world, a single company does all three and its prices are tightly regulated by the government.

Deregulation in Texas involves breaking up companies into three parts -- although the parts can still be united under a single corporate roof -- and freeing prices in the generation and retail parts of the chain. The middle link, delivery, remains regulated. In most of Texas, a state body called the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or Ercot, operates high-voltage lines in the power grid.

The theory behind the deregulation: Let power generators compete to produce electricity cheaply, let retailers compete to give consumers a good deal, and let everyone deal on equal with Ercot and other grid operators. These operators make sure everyone has access to the delivery system.

The problem is that competition in generation and retail has sometimes failed to emerge. If generators can gain a pivotal position as wholesalers of power, they can sometimes control prices, critics say. Meanwhile, many retail customers are sticking with their "legacy" electric company, fearing the unknown and seeing only a small price advantage in switching.

Deregulated electricity markets are hard to police because a company can make windfall profits by exercising market power for only short bursts of time. Electricity can't be stored, and transmission bottlenecks sometimes leave wholesale power buyers with no choice but to turn to a single supplier.

In Texas, criticism often coalesces on a single company: TXU, which owns both the largest generation company in the state and the biggest electricity retailer by number of customers. TXU hopes to add to its generating lead by building 11 giant coal-fired power plants in the next few years, a project that has raised environmental as well as market concerns.

Dallas Mayor Laura Miller, who is married to Mr. Wolens, is a prominent opponent of the coal-fired plants. She finds problems with TXU's market clout at both ends of the chain. "It's mind-boggling bills are so high," she says. "And now they put forward this audacious plan to build all these coal plants. It's struck a chord."

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In the second quarter, TXU earned $497 million on $2.67 billion in revenue, giving it a fatter profit margin than oil giants Chevron Corp. or Exxon Mobil Corp. Under the leadership of Chief Executive C. John Wilder, it has boosted its plants' productivity and rolled out programs to build customer loyalty and improve customer service. It says its profits are the fruit of those efforts.

Mr. Wilder has told investors recently that the fast-growing state needs new modern plants, such as the ones TXU hopes to build, to ensure a reliable supply of electricity. By his calculation, the new coal fleet could throw off profits of $1 billion a year for TXU.

On the retail level, the state has dozens of companies trying to pitch power to the average consumer. But many are struggling. They face high marketing costs to overcome lack of name recognition. Some say they were thrown for a loop by the sudden spike in natural-gas prices late last year, and they still are catching their breath.

The deregulation law established a transition period, starting in 2002 and concluding at the end of this year, during which the long-established retailer in each area posts a benchmark price and is allowed to change it twice a year. Officials call this the "price to beat." Upstart retailers try to offer a discount to it.

The incumbent retailers must justify any rise in their benchmark price by a rise in the price of natural gas, the predominant fuel for power plants in Texas. Last year, when natural-gas prices spiked after Hurricane Katrina, TXU raised its benchmark price to a level based on a index gas price of $11.53 per million British thermal units. Since then, the index price has fallen by about a third to $7.66 per million BTUs.

Once TXU and other incumbents have locked in the higher price, they have no obligation to lower it even if natural gas becomes cheaper. Since 2002, most incumbents have raised their benchmarks on six to eight occasions, but none has ever dropped its benchmark price.

The fall in natural-gas prices this year seemingly would represent a golden opportunity for upstarts to grab market share by offering consumers a big discount off the benchmark. It hasn't worked that way, in part because many companies got caught in a price squeeze last year. They had to keep their retail prices below the benchmark prices charged by the former monopoly utilities, but many were paying far more for wholesale power. Many suffered losses, making them feel less aggressive about pricing this year.

Last year was as devastating as "a hundred-year flood," says Rob Snyder, chairman of Stream Energy. The two-year-old company claims 240,000 customers, most gleaned from TXU's rolls. Mr. Snyder says his firm had a loss of $7 million in 2005 but returned to profitability in April. Even Reliant, an incumbent, "got hurt pretty badly late last year," says Chief Executive Joel Staff.

It takes a big discount to get even a little attention. Amigo Energy, which targets the Hispanic market, currently offers a 16% discount to TXU's benchmark price. On a good day it picks up 100 new customers, says Amigo President Javier Vega.

TXU's response to criticism about high prices is to roll out new pricing programs for loyal customers. The company is permitted to undercut its own benchmark price when it faces a certain level of competition. The "SmartSaver 36" program offers an 8% discount on a contract with a three-year term. TXU also is offering some customers a $100 "customer appreciation bonus," if they stay with TXU throughout 2007.

Pat Wood, a Houston-area resident who is past chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission as well as the Texas Public Utilities Commission, says he's frustrated by customers' unwillingness to change. He calls the benchmark the "dumb" price and says, "I wouldn't even mess with TXU or Reliant." Mr. Wood has switched suppliers three times in 15 months.

Some don't have the option of switching. Don Gateley, who owns a computer-software company, has waited almost five years for competition to come to Jacksonville, his town of 13,800 people in East Texas. TXU is still the only electricity retailer in town. His rates have grown steadily, most recently by 14% in January. This past month his electricity bill for his house and storage buildings ran to more than $300. Deregulation is "an absolute joke," he says. "I'm so sore, I can't sit down when I get my bill."

Meanwhile, the generation part of the market is also raising concerns. By law, no supplier in Texas is supposed to control more than 20% of the generating capacity. The goal is to prevent any one company from cornering the market and driving up prices. But there's no limit on how much power each plant can produce. TXU generated 22% of the power consumed in the competitive market in 2005. TXU's market share is greater in certain places, like North Texas, where many of its plants are located and where it's sometimes hard to bring in power from other parts of the state.

TXU's plans for coal-fired plants will add to regulators' difficulties. By putting efficient, 24-hour-a-day plants in operation and divesting older plants that can only operate part-time, TXU could amass an even more formidable market position and stay within the law. However, if regulators block the new plants, that could lead to scarcity of electricity and push prices higher.

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission presumes that there's a problem with market power if a generator controls more than 20% of the electricity capacity in a market area. But the commission has no jurisdiction in Texas because power is generated and distributed within the state.

FERC has become more aggressive after the California energy crisis, when some pivotal suppliers took advantage of their position to push up prices. In 2005, it stripped Duke Energy Corp. of the ability to charge unregulated prices for wholesale power from certain plants it owns in the Carolinas, where it also owns regulated utilities.

In 2003, TXU was found to have engaged in "hockey-stick bidding," in which power is offered in ways designed to raise prices overall. In 2004, investigators at the Texas Public Utility Commission found that TXU had a "measurably dominant" position in the market. Wholesale prices were rising at the time, but the commission didn't reach a conclusion on whether TXU was intentionally causing the trend or exacerbating it because of its size.

This year, Texas hired a new independent market monitor, Potomac Economics Ltd. of Fairfax, Va. In a report last month, Potomac found that TXU "routinely" held back generating supply from the market in 2005 when it logically should have been offered. One reason for withholding supply is to force the grid operator to turn to more expensive plants to fill out its needs. Because the operator typically pays a single "market-clearing" price for its power, such a strategy can allow a power generator to get an across-the-board high price even when much of its supply is cheaply produced.

The monitor's report said TXU was most likely to withhold supply when the market was vulnerable and it had the best chance of turning a big profit. However, it cautioned that there may be a benign explanation for the odd behavior. The state's Public Utility Commission said last week it will investigate the matter. TXU denied manipulating markets. "We strongly condemn any improper withholding of electricity from markets and firmly reject any implication we have done so," the company said in a statement.

California, which experienced similar problems during its electricity crisis, now requires generators to offer power to the market whenever plants are capable of furnishing it.

The Potomac report also found TXU often offered electricity to the state grid operator at prices far above its generating costs, raising "significant concern."

Despite the worries, Texas is pushing ahead with further deregulation on the wholesale side, including lifting price caps on what generators can charge the grid operator. Currently the cap is $1,000 a megawatt-hour, the same cap used in many Northeastern and Midwestern states. Texas is raising the figure in stages to $3,000 by March 2009, the highest in the country.

Texas officials say the higher potential prices should motivate generators to build new plants and, provided there isn't any market manipulation, help consumers. But if new plants aren't built, the higher cap could lead to a windfall to those incumbents that already own generating plants.

Write to Rebecca Smith at rebecca.smith@wsj.com

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Old 11-14-2006, 06:49 PM
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I do (before ending all contact with this thread) want to say thanks to those who have been kind and offered productive assistance with my complaint....instead of their associate who was just insulting and hateful...typical of most of my Stream encounters, so I am not at all surprised by his lack of empathy or suave to my complaint...any QUALITY sales person or rep would have inquired as to how to resolve a bad situation or offered assistance to make things better...but I am not surprised that instead he took time to be rude and insulting...about a situation he knows nothing about. But enough about trash and scum...as I said I am just adding this last part to thank those who have been helpful...and constructive with their thoughts...I appreciate it a lot! I will ride off in the sunset with RELIANT and try to leave the crap with Stream and their RUDE reps behind...life goes on!!! (speak of life...Mr Steam YOU NEED TO GET ONE!)

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The Public Utility Commission of Texas has identified a company that was cited in a Texas energy market report last month as possibly having manipulated the energy market and prices in 2005.

The company, which was referred to in the ERCOT 2005 State of the Market Report only as Company C, was identified as TXU Wholesale, a unit of Dallas-based TXU Corp. (NYSE: TXU).


In a memo filed Monday to PUC Chairman Paul Hudson, Brian H. Lloyd, a special projects manager for the PUC, said that while the agency's policy is not to release the names of companies that are under investigation until the investigation has concluded, the potential existed that NRG Energy Inc. could have been incorrectly presumed to be Company C.

The original ERCOT report also mentioned two other companies, referred to at that time as only A or B. The PUC memo identified those companies as San Jose, Calif.-based Calpine Corp. and Princeton, N.J.-based NRG Energy, respectively, but the ERCOT report did not identify concerns with those companies.

The memo emphasized that the market report, by itself, does not support the conclusion that TXU did violate the PUC rules, and a detailed investigation into the concerns raised in the report would be conducted.

The report, which was commissioned by the PUC and conducted by Potomac Economics Ltd., found that one utility, Company C or TXU Wholesale, had a larger share of unutilized economic capacity than the other suppliers. The unutilized capacity seemed to increase when its effect on prices was generally the highest, according to the report.

A TXU spokeswoman did not immediately return calls for comment.

At the time the ERCOT report was released, TXU spokesman Chris Schein said much of the data cited in the report did not match with TXU's own data.

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Old 11-15-2006, 04:01 AM
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106,000 Visitors!

The interest in the closed Ignite/Stream Energy thread seems to be increasing. A quick check of the first 10 pages of MLM threads here on SCAM seems to show that Ignite/Stream is still the second highest viewed thread second only to the closed and bankrupt pyramid scheme International Galleries, Inc.

Ignited must be so proud that people by the thousands are still coming to SCAM.COM to learn about them.

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As usual Mr. Stupid is a backwards thinker. The reason there are so many visitors to the Ignite thread is because business is booming at Ignite. The marketing and compensation plan remain so powerful that the field is strong and motivated and continue to share the Ignite Opportunity in record numbers.

The good news is that people are smart enough not to fall for the lunatic ravings of the mlm-basher crowd and the growth of the Ignite rep and customer base continues at unprecedented levels. Hey, when you got it, you got it and a couple of nutjobs on the Internet are not going to keep the public away from a great thing. As a matter of fact it is my theory that it actually helps Ignite when people see how hugely popular Ignite is. The Stream machine rolls on (dispite all the views on the Ignite thread by people that obviously can see through the BS).

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The reason there are so many visitors to the Ignite thread is because business is booming at Ignite. The marketing and compensation plan remain so powerful that the field is strong and motivated and continue to share the Ignite Opportunity in record numbers.

The good news is that people are smart enough not to fall for the lunatic ravings of the mlm-basher crowd and the growth of the Ignite rep and customer base continues at unprecedented levels. Hey, when you got it, you got it and a couple of nutjobs on the Internet are not going to keep the public away from a great thing....
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Annual Income for July 2005 to June 2006

Position % Low High Average Months Low High Ave.

Executive Director $ 92,025.00 $819,089.50 $241,931.60 12 12 12
0.05%

Senior Director $1162.00 $86,712.75 $10,614.70 2 12 12
1.22%

Managing Director $10.00 $27,815.00 $1723.41 1 12 8.66
9.08%

Qualified Director $10.00 $1582.00 $460.31 1 12 6.07
89.66%

If there are 50,000 associates at this time then we have:

25 Executive Directors
610 Senior Directors
4540 Managing Directors
44,830 Qualified Directors

All folks have done is send money upline to the very few Executive and Senior Directors and lined their pockets. It is much more abysmal than my projected earnings figures suggested. After expenses the QDs are losing money!

25 Executive Directors x $241,931.60 = $6,048,290.00

610 Senior Directors x $10,614.70 = $6,474,967.00

4540 Managing Directors x $1723.41 = $7,828,241.40

44,830 Qualified Directors x $460.31 = $ 20,635,697.30
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$40,987,195.70 Total payout

Ignited, aren't you silly. Anyone who has seen the earnings and read the closed thread is likely running for it!

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Ignite's unprecedented success of their rep and customer base speaks for it's self. Obviously all the childish and biased messages from the mlm bashers is having little or no effect. The public is smart enough to know a good thing when they see it and are voting to choose Stream and Ignite every day despite all the lies.

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Old 11-16-2006, 05:07 PM
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Re: Is Stream Energy Closing the Ignite Pyramid Scheme??????
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Originally Posted by angel2b8
I do (before ending all contact with this thread) want to say thanks to those who have been kind and offered productive assistance with my complaint....instead of their associate who was just insulting and hateful...typical of most of my Stream encounters, so I am not at all surprised by his lack of empathy or suave to my complaint...any QUALITY sales person or rep would have inquired as to how to resolve a bad situation or offered assistance to make things better...but I am not surprised that instead he took time to be rude and insulting...about a situation he knows nothing about. But enough about trash and scum...as I said I am just adding this last part to thank those who have been helpful...and constructive with their thoughts...I appreciate it a lot! I will ride off in the sunset with RELIANT and try to leave the crap with Stream and their RUDE reps behind...life goes on!!! (speak of life...Mr Steam YOU NEED TO GET ONE!)

I want you to know that I am also an Ignite Associate & I make the big bucks $3 per month isn't that awesome? Sorry about your illness/surgery hope you have a good recovery.As for Ignited he is just a rude person that probably got his customers by threatening them. I have grown to hate the whole marketing scheme I know it works, but, I can no longer promote a company that I no longer want to do business with. I found out the hard way.

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#80
Old 11-16-2006, 05:17 PM
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Re: Is Stream Energy Closing the Ignite Pyramid Scheme??????
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Originally Posted by Soapboxmom
Originally posted by Ignited




If there are 50,000 associates at this time then we have:

25 Executive Directors
610 Senior Directors
4540 Managing Directors
44,830 Qualified Directors

All folks have done is send money upline to the very few Executive and Senior Directors and lined their pockets. It is much more abysmal than my projected earnings figures suggested. After expenses the QDs are losing money!

25 Executive Directors x $241,931.60 = $6,048,290.00

610 Senior Directors x $10,614.70 = $6,474,967.00

4540 Managing Directors x $1723.41 = $7,828,241.40

44,830 Qualified Directors x $460.31 = $ 20,635,697.30
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$40,987,195.70 Total payout

Ignited, aren't you silly. Anyone who has seen the earnings and read the closed thread is likely running for it!

Soapboxmom

The truth is that the visitors are probably Ignite assosiates that are looking for the truth thats how I found this site. They are probably afraid to respond because Ignite could take legal action for slander/defamation or afraid to believe that they are screwing people. I signed up without checking to see if others had had bad luck or if the company Stream was reputable. I also thought as well as brainwashed: Dang! How easy it would be to sell electricity to customers that buy it anyway. What a crock! even your friends & family won't do a "small favor" like srcrewing themselves for a year.